200 yard Moving Target Ranges

19 Nov 2018 03:14 - 19 Nov 2018 05:10 #291 by PETERTHEEATER
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I inadvertently omitted Castle Kennedy which, I think, shared West Freugh MTR and then became the main user when WF became an (O) AFU

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19 Nov 2018 09:24 #292 by Peter Kirk
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I recall looking into the MTRs a few years back during one of those quests to identify all the locations and I suspect assigned training establishments, but I can't find any notes I made at the time!

West Freugh was originally an Armament Training Station but a war broke out, changing plans. The MTR was certainly in place by December 1940 (Luftwaffe AP) and probably built in 1939. Given the short-ish distance to Castle Kennedy it would make sense for them to use it, howver this is not proof.

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20 Nov 2018 07:19 #293 by PETERTHEEATER
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Bishops Court too had a brief AGS function but mid -war but I have found no evidence of a MTR associated with that airfield. Perhaps the MTR element of the AGS couse was deleted and relied on firing on the flag instead.

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20 Nov 2018 11:39 #294 by Peter Kirk
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I wonder if there was a limited time window when they were used? I know some were in use by 1940 but when was the last one built? Snettisham was probably one of the last. However they were still being built in 1941 as Wigtown's wasn't even started in February 1941. Possibly Bishops Court was being planned but things changed before work started. Some things didn't get done very quickly. Mind you I think one, possibly Silloth, was being looked at to be re-orientated at the end of the war.

I also recall that there weren't many spare sets of equipment to build them. Holbeach ranges was due to get one but it was put on hold and I think bits were stored at Sutton Bridge. I think these went to Snettisham in the end.

A lot of unknowns! Possibly the AGS ORBs would shed some light. Shame they aren't online.

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25 Oct 2019 08:22 #295 by PETERTHEEATER
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Chivenor was to have had a 200 yard MTR but it appears never to have been completed or, perhaps, completed but never commissioned.

Here's a LIDAR image of the area. The familiar 'lozenge' shape of the MTR earth walls can be seen in the centre of this screenshot directly above that odd windblown dune which is a feature of the terrain:

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25 Oct 2019 09:02 #296 by Peter Kirk
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This area is confusing to due references to various ranges in the area as Chivenor's ranges. This MTR was part completed for the RAF but work stopped as the role of Chivenor changed. It was to be taken up by the USAAF but I don't know if it was completed or used by them. The location is odd for the USAAF but then again they did use Mousehole for gunnery training. The sands was host to another RAF range, Saunton Sands, which was an air to ground ranges. If US Army documents relating to the Woolacombe Assualt Training Area are correct the two RAF ranges were adjacent. In July 1943, when the area was being reviewed for assault training the Air Ministry had decided that the MTR could be replaced by a standard free gunnery trainer. There was no mention of potential USAAF use so perhaps this was after the area was for assault training?

The other RAF range, Saunton Sands was being used by Coastal Command and they were forced to look for a suitable alternative. This I suspect was Northam Burrows but that is another unresolved story.

Interestingly in 1942 the Army had a range, type unknown, on Braunton Burrows but it was marked as not in use.

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04 Feb 2021 16:03 #297 by Peter Kirk
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Not seen this one before, as far as I know. Apologies if it has already been posted. No idea where it is and could be overseas.


© IWM CH 14876
Original wartime caption: Picture (issued 1945) shows - The Moving Target Range

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05 Feb 2021 13:29 - 05 Feb 2021 13:36 #298 by PETERTHEEATER
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Excellent. I missed that during many IWM searches.

The Number 1 Armament School was at MANBY and absorbed into the Empire Armament School from 1944.

The School ranges were at Theddlethorpe so its's very likely the image is at the Theddlethorpe 200 Yard MTR

The base of the Turret House survives here:

wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=5...grat=None&rgrat=None

Shows that the target was only just visible above the earth bank crossing from right to left although I suspect that the direction of travel was reversed randomly to prevent circuit fixation.

EDIT: Zooming the image shows what is, probably, the Target Trolley building which was reinforced concrete protected by earth banking and must have routinely been hit.

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05 Feb 2021 17:03 #299 by Peter Kirk
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I must have missed it too, unless they are adding new photos all the time.

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05 Feb 2021 17:15 #300 by kebecker
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They have just added

"New to Collections Online: the complete B and BU Series of British official photographs. These 23,000 cover the British Army, and Allied Operations in North-West Europe from D-Day on 6 June 1944 to December 1946 including aspects of the Allied occupation of Germany"

So no doubt they are adding others

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