200 yard Moving Target Ranges

05 Nov 2011 15:46 #201 by carnaby
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Excellent - and in colour.

Re: The Askari native orderlies replenished the ammunition and collected the cases from fired rounds. Was this beyond the capability of the RAF?

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:

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05 Nov 2011 19:12 #202 by Richard Drew
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I would have thought the corporal would have been dressed in tropical kit not RAF blue but I understand that the air gunners had to wear their flying kit, but boy that must have been hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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06 Nov 2011 03:55 #203 by PETERTHEEATER
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Do you think that the location is inland or coastal?

Looks to be posed too, I would not have thought the turret position would be on top of the protective bank intended to prevent damage to the traction gear!

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06 Nov 2011 10:20 #204 by Peter Kirk
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Must be posed. It's only once you know a bit about the subject that you realise a lot of the publicity or official type photographs are posed. There are a few (Flight Archives) that show aircraft attacking towed targets and the targets are about 50ft from the towing aircraft and the attacking aircraft even closer! The IWM site has a Henley towing a drogue at about 50ft behind flying past an anti-aircraft gun!!

You can see why it is done though and a real picture would not look good in print as everything will be too spread out. If you use them to illustrate a book it would be wise to explain to the reader why it is not a "real" shot.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

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07 Nov 2011 14:02 #205 by Movingtarget
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I think it's posed as well, much like the photo that started this thread. If the range was actually at, or near, Waterkloof then it's not that near the coast.

Also found this on the IWM site - looks a good way to spend an afternoon in the sun....

JohnG

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07 Jun 2012 07:06 #206 by PETERTHEEATER
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The Dumfries MTR remains can now be clearly seen in Google Earth here:

wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=5...8076&gz=18&oz=7>=1

As far as I can find, this was the only inland MTR and the safety trace was provided by rising land to the rear of the range about SSW. There will be a lot of lead in them thar hills!

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07 Jun 2012 09:14 #207 by carnaby
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The Dumfries MTR remains can now be clearly seen in Google Earth

Excellent - at last! Now what were all the other things I wanted to look at in that part of Scotland?

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11 Jun 2012 09:20 #208 by ColinBa
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Looking at Ivor Jones' book (South), he mentions on p172 that the "...moving target range, with its elaborate control linkage, can still be seen....". I'm intrigued as to what he's referring to as an elaborate control linkage - anyone got ideas ?

Also mentioned on p161 is a "400 yard ground range" - I've never come across a 400 yard range, is it anything like the 200yd MTRs ?

JohnG


This is a little belated but the reply from Ivor is:

To answer your Query about the moving target range at Stormy
Down. I should have explained that this was not the usual large
eliptical type that one hears of--although they did have one of these
also, sited at Morfa near the now steel works. This one at Stormy was
a long, high firing butt, with a linear track facing the machine gun
platform. It was filled with sand, and I assume that the target was
moved electrically pretty swiftly horizontally. There was a generator
house, and a system of levers, near the gunners position, where the
movement of the target was controlled -left or right. I've been unable
to reach anyone that that can explain further any reason for the
change from the conventional Moving Target Range that they already had
to this. Perhaps it was to teach gunners how to aim and fire quicker.
I hope this explains why the use of the word -elaborate was wrong, but
I had never seen or heard of one of these elsewhere.

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06 Jul 2012 04:16 #209 by PETERTHEEATER
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Barrow 200 yard MTR remains July 1963:

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Courtesy of RCAHMS Record Number 006-013-000-925-C

Wigtown 200 yard MTR remains July 1963:

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Courtesy of RCAHMS Record Number 006-013-000-130-C

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02 Aug 2012 09:05 #210 by mbriscoe
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I think the Fort George range shows up better on the 1:10000 map on Canmore Mapping.

Go to this Canmore record then select " View this site on map ". It looks as if the track is marked and it also shows well on Google Earth.

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