200 yard Moving Target Ranges

17 Oct 2009 12:09 #81 by carnaby
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The forum participation has added a lot as I am sure Carnaby will agree. What's more, there are other MTRs out there just waiting to be found and surprise us.

I have an old AR Index which helps, confusing as it is!

Totally agree with all the above. At the EH etc meeting a few of us recently attended, the professionals mentioned how valuable the web has become regarding amateur contributions like ourselves.

Graham

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17 Oct 2009 13:31 #82 by Peter Kirk
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It would be the icing on the cake if EH would allow us to publish, in this forum or AR, some of the aerial photo evidence we have found without paying extra for copyright or perhaps pulling together a document using said aerials on behalf of EH or in conjunction with.
For individuals this is an expensive process and I for one now have my Xmas list made up of TNA and EH copying requests!

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19 Oct 2009 16:06 #83 by P Bellamy
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Overlay onto the 1946 air photo, which may clear up the question of Snettisham's second butt:

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Looks like there was a second moving target range alongside the first, on a slightly different alignment.

Can of worms duly opened.... ;)

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19 Oct 2009 16:17 #84 by Peter Kirk
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I assume that is your theory rather than based on real plans etc?
Makes perfect sense in any event.

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19 Oct 2009 16:56 #85 by P Bellamy
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My theory is based on what is visible in the photo; two sets of tracks, two firing platforms and two butts. ;)

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19 Oct 2009 19:57 #86 by Peter Kirk
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The strange shaped banks between the two make perfect sense once you have drawn it out. They even put a bank between the two.

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19 Oct 2009 20:02 #87 by Peter Kirk
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Just been reading Ivor Jones's "Airfields and Landing Grounds of Wales : South, the chapter on Stormy Down. Page 164 starts

"At last the moving target range, with model aircraft mounted on rails, was ready. It came into use on Friday 7th February (1941)".

We suspected one should be there, did I miss it?

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20 Oct 2009 08:48 #88 by PETERTHEEATER
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If you look at the Stormy Down thread, I think we concluded that an extant range building may have had 'moving' targets on rails but not the 200 yard type.

That said, ye, why shouldn'y SD have had a 200 yard range somewhere on the coast.

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23 Oct 2009 17:03 #89 by carnaby
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(First post in thread)The TNAs list of synthetic training devices includes 32 Gunnery Trainers, but not this device. The Turret Manipulation Trainer, examples at Chivenor and Manby, are very vaguely similar.


PNK has just sent me TNA copy of MAF140/21 Air Ministry: release of practice bombing ranges. 1945-58

Included in the vast list are six Turret Ranges at: Dalcross, Hunstanton, Hell's Mouth, Chivenor, Wigtown, Silloth. (no more - just these)

Just checked my notes re the original remark for Chivenor: Trainer G31 Turret Manipulation Trainer (Chivenor) 1/72nd model aircraft on model railway is a target for a normal powered gun turret. For use of live ammunition the model target may be replaced by large size canvas and and wooden model running on electric railway, as for example at Manby. Shortness of range does not enable tracer to be observed.

Source :ADM 1/18969 NAVAL TRAINING: Synthetic training devices used in the Royal Navy: classified descriptive list, 1942-1945. (Title is very misleading -it is in fact a list of RAF training aids submitted to the Navy for their appraisal)

Wonder how big the Chivenor Trainer was?
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23 Oct 2009 17:20 #90 by P Bellamy
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PNK has just sent me TNA copy of MAF140/21 Air Ministry: release of practice bombing ranges. 1945-58

Included in the vast list are six Turret Ranges at: Dalcross, Hunstanton, Hell's Mouth, Chivenor, Wigtown, Silloth. (no more - just these)


Something at Hunstanton caught my eye the other day, which may be the remains of a moving target range.

I'll have a look at the '46 survey and see what shows up.

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