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09 Jul 2008 19:55 #1 by Peter Kirk
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We all have photo collections relating to aviation and a lot of them will be valuable references to future researchers. I am belatedly getting around to doing a will. Has anyone any suggestions as to where my collection of airfield books and aviation related photos should be sent should something happen to me?

I assume the RAF Museum has all the books in its library and may not be interested in old airfield shots and aeroplane pictures from airshows.

Has anyone else considered this or is it just me going through a morbid phase?

Peter

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09 Jul 2008 21:21 #2 by Ant
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Yes I am chronically morbid, so don't feel bad about it.
I decided that I would leave all my Uncle's 502 Sqdn stuff, Logbooks, air and ground crew photos and other memories to the Halifax museum up in Yorkshire. As that's the Aeroplane that he spent countless hours in (staring at endless expanses of empty sea!) I have thought about this for some time. Though needless to say the will has yet to be written!

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22 Oct 2008 09:06 #3 by Paul Francis
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Just found this thread PNK, while looking for another. One of things that I would like to discuss at our meeting, is the idea of having a central depository of airfield images which could form part of an AiX / ARG archive. I am still looking at the idea of a main archive but have hit a brick wall for the time being.
When you think that most of us on here take photos of airfield buildings etc and, that airfield landscapes are changing before our very eyes, in our lifetime. I feel therefore that it is our duty to record these places the best way we can and while we are able to do so for future generations. It is all very well however, each of us as individuals having privately owned collections which apart from the odd post on AiX, never sees the light of day. An example maybe is the recent East Riding display, which I am sure will be very good, but could have, been so much different if it included my images from the early 1980s. The average age too of the folk on here is going to be on the wrong side of 50, when I recently ask my wife, what will happen to my stuff when I go to the airfield in the sky, she gave me a demo by reaching for the Thompson Directory and showing me the page on skips! My kids are the same, they have no interest in airfields. This actually inspired me (amongst other things) to pursue the original archive idea.

I can imagine that folk might be concerned about copyright or giving away free images etc but that needs to be talked about – there has to be rules in place. I would be more than happy to provide DVDs etc of my pictures (which currently is well over 60 gig ) to a nominated person to hold in a central archive but what about everyone else? Feel free to discuss.

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22 Oct 2008 10:10 #4 by daveg4otu
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she gave me a demo by reaching for the Thompson Directory and showing me the page on skips

Yes the same thing here- a wife and 3 kids(2 boys), 4 grandchildren (all girls) and zero interest anywhere in aviation.

An aside here....

Some years ago - mid 90s - I hopefully took my youngest son and his then fiancee(now his wife) to RIAT - it poured all day - but I had a good time . I can only guess about them - they spent most of the day in the car with the windows steamed up! They never asked to come again.

:lol:

In my case - not so much photos as the books, old magazines, notebooks going back 40/50 years...it saddens me to think that one day someome may bin it all or send the books to a jumble sale!

wrong side of 50

If only that were all!

Bottom line - yes some kind of archive would be a very good idea.

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www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/

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22 Oct 2008 12:00 #5 by Peter Kirk
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Personally I would be happy to hand over my collection of slides to an archive for anyone to use. Sure I would like to be mentioned if the picture is used for publication etc but I wouldn't get upset if I didn't. That is not why I took the picture in the first place.
My collection is no where near the standards of some of you and I can fully understand why this approach would be a problem.
The same goes for may collection of purchased plans and aerial photos, providing I have a scanned copy I will rarely, if at all, refer to the "original"
The plans are all copies from RAFM/TNA so although I paid to have them copied I would be more than happy for others to use them for private research purposes only. I have, for example a 1m x 1m aerial phot of Twinwood Farm from 1971 (from eBay). I am glad I bought it but what do I do with it now? Once I have scanned it will be stored. That is a shame because there might be someone in AiX or ARG land that might like to see it as well.
My collection of books will be a difficult one as I refer to a lot of them frequently so an archive would be inconvenient for those. The quarterlies produced by ARG and Air Britain are very space consuming so the PDF route might help here but the issue arises over membership. I am a member of Air Britain but not ARG (yes I know I should) so should I have access to ARG Reviews? Having said that I bought a load of eBay and have been sent airfield articles by the odd local council.

I have run out of time and people are looking over my shoulder (I am in an open plan office) so apologies for the meanderings above but hopefully it will be useful in the discussions.

I would like to go on Saturday but my wife owns my car so I have no transport.

Peter

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22 Oct 2008 12:53 #6 by Paul Francis
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PNK I am only talking about DVDs of images at this stage, not actual prints but I understand what you are saying. Nick her car keys PNK we need you at the meeting!

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22 Oct 2008 20:41 #7 by NJR
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We'll discuss more on Saturday but yes, a central image archive is a fantastic idea. For my part I'd be interested in holding the images as an archive, I'd back these up on portable hard drives in case the DVDs deteriorate. Obviously we'd have to talk about individual copyright and other such detail but, until the archive proper is established, we have the chance to create something "solid". Of course it doesn't mean individuals giving up their photo collections, simply copy them onto DVD send them to the central holder who will essentially just store them, prints can be scanned first then put on DVD.

I'd commit my extensive collection, Paul has already said he will, what's the level of interest in this?

NJR

"When you stop remembering you start forgetting"

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23 Oct 2008 08:11 #8 by olympusman
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The problem is to find an archive organisation :
1) that will not distribute you documents to friends (it happen already to me...).
2) that will put your documents at disposal of interested and motivated people (I know many cases when as soon the archives were donated, archivists took them for a personal project or gave them away during "a certain time" (over 1 year) to work on a book...). And so, I was then unable to finsh a study !

Suggest to start first an AiX database and see how it works ?

Should I win the Euromillion, I'll give you a budget to buy a former RAF building to start a king of "Airfield Exchange Association"... Let's dream !

6 RCAF Bomber Group (organisation, airfields, squadrons, aircarft, and their 70 crashes in Belgium (location, crew, evasion lines, cemeteries, PoW Camps, etc...). Busy for a couple of years !!!!!!

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23 Oct 2008 18:03 #9 by PJH
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I agree that it is a good topic to discuss on Saturday - it looks like I can attend. :D There is an ARG Archive comprising various people's collections (such as Barry Abraham's) but access is tricky. Ray's doing a great job cataloging it all but storage and access could do with some thought.

Peter

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31 Oct 2008 12:36 #10 by contentd
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Great post!

This question of archiving material is something that's been occupying my thoughts for a while as well.

It's something I think that AIX might be well placed to consider, but as previous posters have mentioned it's not an easy task by any means.

My principal concern is the long term viability of digital media. A recent article in MicroMart about the "life" of current digital storage media wasn`t very encouraging for the longer term. (esp DVD's, CD's and Hard Disks) - It seems solid state storage and other solutions are on the horizon and I'm monitoring developments with interest.

As I see it Paper currently remains the most reliable solution for posterity, but only if archived in an environmentally controlled repository.

My suggestion would be to start the ball rolling by creating some sort of mass Online storage with restricted FTP access. (Not expensive as I could write a freebie custom desktop software application to handle this)

As material is uploaded it can then be catalogued and copies locally modified to create a Web Based searchable archive. (Not difficult - but a lot of graft!!) - Access to these archives could be public or by arrangement (and fee?) etc

Once material has been digitised and uploaded the originals can be stored safely by the owners or (ultimately) in an AIX secure facility.

Digitally stored media can be recycled to new generation media as it presents.

It means a lot of scanning, printing and cataloguing etc, but I think this has to be the way to go.

I'm uncomfortable with the thought that a researcher in the year 2108 might find CD and DVD's etc so degraded as to become worthless.

I`ve confused myself now! - but I hope you get the general idea.

Cheers
Dave

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