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08 Sep 2017 12:21 #141
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Here is the Stately Hall of Newbold Revel according to the Website Our Warwickshire concrete mast bases are present as the site is now a college for training prison officers i gain not access it to confirm this.
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08 Sep 2017 15:19 #142
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Contact the college and Im sure theyll give you access.
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08 Sep 2017 17:53 - 08 Sep 2017 17:57 #143
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Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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Above two posts moved from the Audit to Discussion thread. It's still in the wrong place as it has absolutely nothing to do with airfields, but there are no suitable headings for this (and numerous other) topics.
I note that the Newbold Revel reference originally came from an old list at Bletchley Park (C.2010?). That list, which contained a number if discrepancies, later disappeared from display. The principal TNA document, which I discovered in 2011 (HW41/401 List of Y stations), does not mention Newbold Revel.
The site was used by the RAF and in 1942 it was No.50 Signals Depot in 26 Group which had both 'Y' stations, 80 Wing jammers, and conventional W/T stations. In July 1944 it was purely Care and Maintenance. I wonder if Newbold may have been a training site for 'Y' operators, rather than a feed to Bletchley. On 4 May 1942, No.164 Signals Wing formed here before moving to Delhi in August.
See also:
www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/content/catal...stretton-under-fosse
timetrail.warwickshire.gov.uk/detail.aspx?monuid=WA9858
I note that the Newbold Revel reference originally came from an old list at Bletchley Park (C.2010?). That list, which contained a number if discrepancies, later disappeared from display. The principal TNA document, which I discovered in 2011 (HW41/401 List of Y stations), does not mention Newbold Revel.
The site was used by the RAF and in 1942 it was No.50 Signals Depot in 26 Group which had both 'Y' stations, 80 Wing jammers, and conventional W/T stations. In July 1944 it was purely Care and Maintenance. I wonder if Newbold may have been a training site for 'Y' operators, rather than a feed to Bletchley. On 4 May 1942, No.164 Signals Wing formed here before moving to Delhi in August.
See also:
www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/content/catal...stretton-under-fosse
timetrail.warwickshire.gov.uk/detail.aspx?monuid=WA9858
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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08 Sep 2017 18:05 #144
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It was announced in May 1945 that it would be a Resettlement Centre.for RAF ex-POWs. First to open was Scarborough and also Sunninghill was to open shortly..
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28 Mar 2018 21:29 - 28 Mar 2018 21:30 #145
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Someone sent me a copy of this post and was wondering about the original Short Wave Magazine article but can't find it on the site with an archive but they do not have all copies. I don't suppose anyone has a scan.
(From memory) there were about five underground tank DF sites, I believe they were not very successful.
One is said to be possibly still in situ.
I went looking for the Caithness one but part was dug up and used as a coal bunker at foundry but now gone to the Big Coal Bunker in the Sky presumably.
The DF sites like this were purely DF and did not do intercept work.
The query about Gilnahirk, a book has been written about Gilnahirk about a couple of years ago. The Streetview picture is of the site, it was knocked down and housing / flats built on the site but the building has a very similar appearance to the original.
It was unusual site because the VI's intercepts were routed through there in Northern Ireland so anything urgent could be sent direct by teleprinter. There was a system for the Post Office to give them priority over other mail.
Should this thread be moved from Airfield Discussions to the Radio one when renamed? I did not see the post above because I went straight to the middle of the thread
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Not entirely convinced about sitting in an underground metal box. The article clearly states that the station had D/F facilities, though the site id described as Intercept only
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It's actually right! I remember an issue of Shortwave Magazine around 1990 had an article on one of these; a farmer had decided to dig up what he had always thought was an old car buried in one of his fields, and unearthed what looked like an enormous fuel tank. Subsequent research found the site had been a Y Service station, and the 'tank' was actually where the rig and operator worked from, the idea being to completely shield the radio from spurious emissions by burying it and completely shielding the feeder cable. All that would have been seen above ground were a couple of huts for accommodation and cooking, and the aerial masts.
Not my cup of tea.
Someone sent me a copy of this post and was wondering about the original Short Wave Magazine article but can't find it on the site with an archive but they do not have all copies. I don't suppose anyone has a scan.
(From memory) there were about five underground tank DF sites, I believe they were not very successful.
One is said to be possibly still in situ.
I went looking for the Caithness one but part was dug up and used as a coal bunker at foundry but now gone to the Big Coal Bunker in the Sky presumably.
The DF sites like this were purely DF and did not do intercept work.
The query about Gilnahirk, a book has been written about Gilnahirk about a couple of years ago. The Streetview picture is of the site, it was knocked down and housing / flats built on the site but the building has a very similar appearance to the original.
It was unusual site because the VI's intercepts were routed through there in Northern Ireland so anything urgent could be sent direct by teleprinter. There was a system for the Post Office to give them priority over other mail.
Should this thread be moved from Airfield Discussions to the Radio one when renamed? I did not see the post above because I went straight to the middle of the thread
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These are of Hanslope as it is now .it is still in use by the foreign office and seems to rather James Bondish
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Martin - I note that you were pursuing information on Sheigra several years ago and I have just come across a reference to the site in some Admiralty War Diaries:-
Acknowledgement Fold3. www.fold3.com/document/302099640/
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The RN DF station at Sheigra .
Sheigra is now on Canmore, I was trying to remember where I had seen a reference to a PO station there and found it was me that had originally found the reference in RAF Signals 1939-1945
GPO Transmitters
At the outbreak of war, the following GPO medium or long wave WT transmissions were put under the control of Fighter Command –
Leafield, Rugby, Portishead, Cullercoats, Humber, Lands End. Niton, North Foreland, Portpatrick, Caernarvon, Ongar, Parkeston Quay, Stonehaven, Seaforth, Wick, Sheigra, Callon Head, Tiree, Sanday and North Ronaldsway.
This was a way of closing them down rather than taking over the transmitters.
Martin - I note that you were pursuing information on Sheigra several years ago and I have just come across a reference to the site in some Admiralty War Diaries:-
Acknowledgement Fold3. www.fold3.com/document/302099640/
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25 Jan 2019 15:21 #148
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Thanks I got the direct message.
There are several signals with bearings from Sheigra in Admiralty War Diaries. I initially thought they might be listening for U-Boats in the Minch but seem to have but seem to have hearing signals from a long way away. From memory, I think all the reports are of ships that have been attacked i.e. equivalent of a distress. I don't think there are any bearings on U-Boats like some other DF stations. There was another one at the Butt of Lewis which I presume was similar rather than a RN only one like Oban and Kilwinning.
Callon Head will be Gallon Head i.e. the later Aird Uig ROTOR station. But I did not spot it amongst all the other clutter there. There are pictures of mine of Sheigra and Tiree on FLICKR. There is again a lot of clutter at Butt of Lewis with old Signal Station etc but before you reach there, there are a concrete bases .
www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/albums/...70/with/20705983036/
There are several signals with bearings from Sheigra in Admiralty War Diaries. I initially thought they might be listening for U-Boats in the Minch but seem to have but seem to have hearing signals from a long way away. From memory, I think all the reports are of ships that have been attacked i.e. equivalent of a distress. I don't think there are any bearings on U-Boats like some other DF stations. There was another one at the Butt of Lewis which I presume was similar rather than a RN only one like Oban and Kilwinning.
Callon Head will be Gallon Head i.e. the later Aird Uig ROTOR station. But I did not spot it amongst all the other clutter there. There are pictures of mine of Sheigra and Tiree on FLICKR. There is again a lot of clutter at Butt of Lewis with old Signal Station etc but before you reach there, there are a concrete bases .
www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/albums/...70/with/20705983036/
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27 Jan 2019 20:12 - 27 Jan 2019 22:03 #149
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Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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Marston Montgomery was an RAF Y station.
From some source I have it as an Intercept / Fingerprinting facility
The Bletchley record stated 'Staffs' but the TNA record gives Derbs, and the approx location at 53deg 53min N, 1deg 40min W.
I think that puts it around HERE
However there was a site at Marston Montgomery itself which has that D/F station look about it.
LOCATION
EDIT: Just found another reference K606584 which translates to SK146380. That's more like it !
From some source I have it as an Intercept / Fingerprinting facility
The Bletchley record stated 'Staffs' but the TNA record gives Derbs, and the approx location at 53deg 53min N, 1deg 40min W.
I think that puts it around HERE
However there was a site at Marston Montgomery itself which has that D/F station look about it.
LOCATION
EDIT: Just found another reference K606584 which translates to SK146380. That's more like it !
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
Last edit: 27 Jan 2019 22:03 by carnaby. Reason: Better reference added
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Yes Carnaby, I've had SK 146380 for the site. However, your mention of TNA's record persuaded me to examine GE intently (we've all done that and have probably seen what we want to see!), but, Is there something at 52.53.40.56N by 1.39.43.39W on the latest GE view? I can just make out the base shape. It's not too far from our "confirmed" site - could this be the RX or TX site? Probably wishful thinking...
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Marston Montgomery was an RAF Y station.
From some source I have it as an Intercept / Fingerprinting facility
The Bletchley record stated 'Staffs' but the TNA record gives Derbs, and the approx location at 53deg 53min N, 1deg 40min W.
I think that puts it around HERE
However there was a site at Marston Montgomery itself which has that D/F station look about it.
LOCATION
EDIT: Just found another reference K606584 which translates to SK146380. That's more like it !
Yes Carnaby, I've had SK 146380 for the site. However, your mention of TNA's record persuaded me to examine GE intently (we've all done that and have probably seen what we want to see!), but, Is there something at 52.53.40.56N by 1.39.43.39W on the latest GE view? I can just make out the base shape. It's not too far from our "confirmed" site - could this be the RX or TX site? Probably wishful thinking...
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