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A place to post photos (just a handful please) of air shows through the season and add any discussion.
Hawker Hunter crash at Airshow.
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23 Aug 2015 10:24 #11
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Was the photograph of the underside of 372 in the blue sky that is on the BBC website taken at Shoreham yesterday ?
If it was is, it normal for what look to be the flaps, partly down, during a loop?
This was a terrible, terrible incident and my sympathies go out to all concerned.
My son and his girlfriend were driving back to Essex from Chichester on Friday afternoon and had stopped at those very traffic lights.
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Just awful. Tragic that it should have hit the main road. Another blow to the vintage aircraft scene. From what I could see on the video there was a loss of power during the recovery from the manoeuvre.
Was the photograph of the underside of 372 in the blue sky that is on the BBC website taken at Shoreham yesterday ?
If it was is, it normal for what look to be the flaps, partly down, during a loop?
This was a terrible, terrible incident and my sympathies go out to all concerned.
My son and his girlfriend were driving back to Essex from Chichester on Friday afternoon and had stopped at those very traffic lights.
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23 Aug 2015 10:24 #12
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Does any one know if they have to submit a display flight plan to the event organizers before the show ?
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23 Aug 2015 10:30 #13
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Yes the person displaying has to submit his display routine and may have to fly a practice display at the airfield. I recall Shoreham display being shown on the BBC "airshow" programme back in 2001. They showed what went on behind the scenes, including the mandatory briefing for all participants.
And slightly off topic, but I think relevant; It happened 30 years to the day after the Manchester airport disaster and almost 71 years after the Freckelton disaster.
And slightly off topic, but I think relevant; It happened 30 years to the day after the Manchester airport disaster and almost 71 years after the Freckelton disaster.
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23 Aug 2015 10:31 #14
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The limousine was said to be on its way to collect the bride so probably just had the driver on board.
I worry about the crowd of people at the side of the road, it might explain the warnings that the numbers might rise.
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Sadly when a story like this breaks the media rush to report it but with little to go on, usually a few comments on social media. As the story develops they are reliant on what the emergency services release to them. In this case it seems even the emergency services are unsure as to how many victims are at the crash scene. For example, there are reports of a wedding limo being at the scene but the authorities uncertain as to how many were in it. Several media websites reported it was a WW2 plane that crashed. One even said it was a WW2 plane from 1951 (that reporter's history teacher must be sighing heavily). In our desire for 24 hour wall to wall news coverage we will often get ill-informed, poorly reported & edited speculation/news. Maybe as the earlier posts indicated the best reaction is to pause and pray for those caught up in or impacted by the tragedy. As an historian I would simply say things are not always what they first appear to be, give it time, let the dust settle, don't rush to judgements but then the news entertainment industry can't afford the luxury of time and informed consideration.
The limousine was said to be on its way to collect the bride so probably just had the driver on board.
I worry about the crowd of people at the side of the road, it might explain the warnings that the numbers might rise.
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23 Aug 2015 10:36 #15
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Yes, and it was scrutinised and passed by many before each and every show. It didn't pull out of the loop. Up till then everything was exemplary. You can see the craft mush in the last few seconds of uncontrolled flight. If only it had a few seconds more.
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23 Aug 2015 11:38 #16
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aed lort
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because someone posted up a vid of the accident happening on Youtube meant there could be non of the usual clampdown/whitewash on information that usually happens.
My opinion, for what its worth ,is that theres always going to be something age related laying in wait ready to fail on an old plane .
My opinion, for what its worth ,is that theres always going to be something age related laying in wait ready to fail on an old plane .
aed lort
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23 Aug 2015 11:58 #17
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Looking at one photo of the Hunter flying level just above the trees that appeared very briefly on the web it looks to me as if the port tail plane is down which may indicate a failure of the flying tail actuator on that side, even when taking in to consideration that the aircraft is banked slightly. I'm no Hunter expert but whatever the cause it's a tragic loss and my thoughts are with the pilot's family and those of the victims and those who were injured.
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23 Aug 2015 13:13 #18
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Pitch control on the Hunter is by elevator however, pitch trim control is by an electrical actuator which moves the entire tailplane. The Hunter has a history of tailplane actuator problems and trim switch problems but they were all modified out.
Although details are vague, I understand that the pilot has survived but injured.
Although details are vague, I understand that the pilot has survived but injured.
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23 Aug 2015 18:58 #19
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More than injured, in critical condition.
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23 Aug 2015 19:17 #20
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Obviously this is a tragedy form everyone involved, but playing devil's advocate, one can pose the question that although it is MUCH better to see vintage / classic aircraft in their natural environment, when most of said aircraft is fifty plus years old, should not any flying display be more 'sedate' for want of a better expression. It has to be remembered that most of said aircraft is getting old and should be flown with a bit more consideration for it's age. Rather similar to not expecting one's a ageing parent / grandparent to do a gymnastics routine.
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