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28 Aug 2013 21:21 #51 by Alex Brown
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Right, I'm confused I thought you said HUBs were hardened?
I take it 'soft' means unprotected?

Agree with Al the subject needs some airing, there was an older thread on UNITERs but can't find it now.


Yes soft as in little or no resistance to blast.

All HUBs are hardened, whereas some NUBs are hard and some are soft. There are pictures of soft NUB buildings earlier in this thread.

There are indeed a number of old threads relating to UNITER, when I have some type I might try to merge or interlink them all...

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28 Aug 2013 21:22 #52 by mawganmad
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Sorry, just seen the other post, so HUB is in fact hub or Hub UNITER Building, the NUB being the newer New UNITER Building variant, both types could be seen in soft or hardened variants?
Do we know the time lines for the original and newer 'UB's? Seen to remember the Mawgan NUBs springing up in the early 1990s.

I think I have pics of one at Upper Heyford as well?

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28 Aug 2013 21:26 #53 by Alex Brown
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Sorry, just seen the other post, so HUB is in fact hub or Hub UNITER Building, the NUB being the newer New UNITER Building variant, both types could be seen in soft or hardened variants?
Do we know the time lines for the original and newer 'UB's? Seen to remember the Mawgan NUBs springing up in the early 1990s.

I think I have pics of one at Upper Heyford as well?


We are guessing a lot there as regards the names!

There are only hardened HUB buildings.

The building that you are probably thinking of at Upper Heyford is a BT Hardened Telephone Exchange building.

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28 Aug 2013 21:31 #54 by mawganmad
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Thanks guys, consider me slightly more educated on the subject.
I wont ask what the fundamental difference between a UNITER and hardened BT exchange is!

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28 Aug 2013 21:38 #55 by Paul Francis
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The title on the drawings for the two NUBs at Colt is: Communications Building Generic Type 3 'Large Soft (Conventional)', dated 1991

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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28 Aug 2013 21:44 #56 by Paul Francis
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The drawings for the HUB at Uxbridge on the other hand are just titled 'Communication Building', dated August 1987

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28 Aug 2013 23:26 #57 by mbriscoe
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Thanks MM. Its a shame you Lost your interior shots.

There are some internal photos on some of the urbex websites. Some are quite interesting, and shows that the door was secured by two Avon locks which used a Bramah type locking system. The same security as would be used on smallarms stores.

I don't know very much about the buildings functions as yet, I think that the smaller NUBs were local exchanges whereas the HUBs were just that - regional switching hubs for multiple NUBs.
Also if UNITER was linked to the BOXER network, could it be that it linked via the larger HUB buildings?


I will see if I can find my internal pictures of one of the UNITER buildings - we were given access and allowed to take pictures but asked not to publish them.

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28 Aug 2013 23:26 #58 by P Bellamy
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The title on the drawings for the two NUBs at Colt is: Communications Building Generic Type 3 'Large Soft (Conventional)', dated 1991


Indeed, and the illustration of both styles of NUBs in volume 1 of the "handbook" for them at Colt refers to them as something like "Hard and Soft NUBs (New UNITER Buildings)" IIRC.
Hopefully it will also contain the true explanation for the HUBs too, although Murphy's Law will dictate that's in the missing volume 2... ;)

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29 Aug 2013 07:14 #59 by Alex Brown
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Indeed, and the illustration of both styles of NUBs in volume 1 of the "handbook" for them at Colt refers to them as something like "Hard and Soft NUBs (New UNITER Buildings)" IIRC.
Hopefully it will also contain the true explanation for the HUBs too, although Murphy's Law will dictate that's in the missing volume 2... ;)


Yes of course, I'd forgotten about that manual. We could do with a copy!

So if the HUB buildings date from the late 80's and the NUB buildings from the early 90's that explains the "new" bit I suppose!

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29 Aug 2013 07:26 #60 by mawganmad
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Great that there seems to be drawings and handbooks around for these buildings.

I take it UNITER is just a name for a particular system, like BOXER, but what was the essential difference between them and a hardened telephone exchange? To my mind they look similar and seem to do a similar role? My first knowledge of UNITER buildings was through an ex girlfriends father who worked for BT .

Also looking at the list of locations most make sense, apart from Dunkeswell, any obvious reason for having one there?

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