Supermarine Spitfire

08 Dec 2011 18:29 - 25 Jan 2016 07:47 #1 by Paul Francis
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Marks of Spitfire (1A, IX ) etc

Can anyone help me please with a complete list of Spitfire mark numbers and the correct way they should be written and include a sample of one registration number - thanks. I also want details of the D, G, and W types associated with PR Spitfires and what is the difference between D, G and W types?

Thanks in anticipation.

Paul

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08 Dec 2011 18:58 #2 by Forestfan2
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If you ask the same question on this forum forum.keypublishing.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4 , there's some serious Spitfire knowledge there including an author and historian. Best place to go for me.

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08 Dec 2011 20:26 #3 by Ossington_2008
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Thankfully the Air Min dropped the roman numerals about 1947, I wish they'd done it in 1940. All that exe-vee-eye-eye for 17 etc

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08 Dec 2011 20:42 #4 by mawganmad
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Agree with Forestfan, Mark12 (Peter Arnold) is the best chap to talk to there.

Here's some very basic info just to get you started,

Spitfire I (K9787), II (P8420), III (N3297), PR.IV (AA781), V (JG856), VI (AB200), VII (VS253), VIII (NH614), IX (BS179), PRX (SR396), PRXI (PA838 ), XII (DP845), PRXIII, XIV, XVI (TB136), XVIII (SM843), XIX (SW777), 21 (TM379), 22 (SX549), & 24 (VN496). T.8 (MT818 ) & T.9
Seafire II (MA970), III (PP921), XV (SP136), XVII (SW989), 45 (TM379), 46 (TM383 P), & 47 (VR961)
Spiteful XIV (RB515), XV (RB520), & XVI (RB518 )
Seafang F.31 (VB895), & F.32 (VG481)

These are the basic marks with suffixes of B, C (Cannon) amongst others used. F for fighter rarely seems to be used on pure fighter marks using Roman numerals, sub-role prefixes like PR, LF (Low altitude) etc being used. Unsure on official stance on this aspect though.
Spifires Marks, and the sub designation letters, can be quite a deep subject, which I won't pretend that I understand!

Bitish aircraft Mark numbers changed from Roman to Arabic in 1948, ie Mk.XIX to Mk.19

James Thomas

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08 Dec 2011 20:48 #5 by mawganmad
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PS, no such thing as a 1A, there is a IA :wink:

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09 Dec 2011 21:09 #6 by canberra
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Thats the problem with roman numerals, and in the RAF some squadrons use roman numerals for their number and some dont.

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10 Dec 2011 09:49 #7 by mawganmad
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My understanding is that D was the long range variant with maximum fuel tankage and high speed canopy based on the PR.IV, while the G was similar but armed. I think the G was only applied to the PR.VII.
PR suffixes A - D was applied across Mk.I, II, III, & V variants
These PR mods were usually retro fitted to normal early fighter variants, and the Mark numbers and suffix letters can get confusing.
I think W denoted the camera type fitted, sure there was an 'X' aswel.

Edit,
All of the following information is taken from E.Morgan/ E.Shacklady Spitfire - The History bible, Key publishing.

Type A, Spitfire PR.IA & PR.III, normal fighter fuel load, 1 F.24 camera in each wing, 1 spotting camera behind pilot.

Type B, Spitfire PR.IB & PR.III, Short-Range, additional 29 Gal fuel tank, cameras as Type A with 8" camears in underwing blisters.

Type C, Spitfire PR.IC & PR.III, Long-Range, additional 30 Gal fuel tank in Fuse, 30 Gal fuel tank in port wing blister, 1 fuse camera, 2 x F.24-8" cameras in stbd wing blister.

Type D, Spitfire PR.III, PR.IV, & V, Super Long-Range, additional 66 1/5 Gal fuel tanks in each wing leading edge, 30 Gal in fuse, additional oil, could be fitted with W & X, or Y camera installations. Some as PR.IV(T) fitted with Aboukir tropical filter, K Type dinghy, and drinking water supply.

Type F, Spitfire PR.VI, Long-Range, 20 Gal fuel fuse tank and 30 Gal tank in each underwing blister,1 or 2 x F.8-20", or 2 x F.24-20" cameras.

Type E, as above but with provision for Oblique F24 camera.

Type G, Spitfire PR.VII, PR.XIII (Merlin 32), Armed with standard A fighter wing (8 x 303s) and with fighter bullet proof windscreen, 1 F24-5", 1 F24-14" vertical cameras, 1 F24 Oblique could be added. Teardrop bulges in each side of hood.

Apart from the G, all the variants were unarmed and featured the smoth high speed windscreen.

‘W’, ‘X’, & ‘Y’ refers to specific camera installations that could be fitted to both PR.IV and PR.XI Spitfires, Types W (2 x Vertical F.8- 20” cameras) & X (2 x Vertical F.24-14”, & 1 x Oblique F.24-14”) were interchangeable and both featured two vertical cameras which were slightly angled off the vertical to one side from each other with their own apertures, the Y type (1 x Vertical F.52-36”) was fixed in to some aircraft. All installations had provision for camera heating.

Examples of serials,

N3071, PR.I Type A, PR.I Type B, PR.I Type C, PR.III
L1004 PR.XIII
N3187 PR.III
X4492 PR.VI
X4786 PR.VII
BP932 PR.IV T
BR419 PR.IV
BS499 PR.XI

It should be stressed that this is a very short overview, and that the book should be looked up for far more detail.

James Thomas

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12 Dec 2011 11:11 #8 by mawganmad
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Paul, have you got the info you need?
I can rumage through the definitive book that I have found here, but will take time, which I don't have in abundance

James Thomas

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12 Dec 2011 11:42 #9 by Paul Francis
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MM you have been very helpful thanks. The problem is the 9 MU ORB is inconsistent, at least I assume it is whereby one type of Spitfire may be refered to in two different ways (even when the serial numbers are the same). Hense my confusion. If you fancy and have the time, the list would be useful to me but if no time then dont worry. Now what was that qustion I had on Tiger Moths?

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12 Dec 2011 12:07 #10 by mawganmad
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Early PR Spitfires are a minefield, the problem is is that they were based on existing fighter variants, and could be further modified to different PR variants and sub designations, hence one actual airframe and serial number could easily appear across three different variants. On top of that there were various camera fits which had their own identity letters.
Just to add to the mix that the early PRs didn't get their own orderly Mk numbers in relation to the fighters, identity of these Marks became such a problem that the AM asked Vickers Supermarine to give new distinct Mk numbers PR types, this eventually happened, and to actually rename the aircraft, which needless to say didn't happen!
The ORB may actually be Ok, I will try and set it out for you later.

James Thomas

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