What is this please?

31 Aug 2016 10:21 - 31 Aug 2016 10:22 #1 by IanDDavidson
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I found this recently whilst scouting around the site where a P38 Lightning crashed during WW2. It was on an operational flight, so would not expect it to be practice material even though I named the file that way.




It is in remarkably good condition, and feels very light.
The book in the pouch marked VALID is Passport size.




Nearby is a short belt of live 50cal, a bit weatherbeaten but live and would probably cleanup.

Would appreciate help to know what it is.

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31 Aug 2016 14:41 - 31 Aug 2016 14:44 #2 by Peter Kirk
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It looks more like a mortar round. Did the shaft have holes in it?

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

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31 Aug 2016 15:07 #3 by IanDDavidson
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It looks more like a mortar round. Did the shaft have holes in it?



No holes, just a hollow shaft.

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31 Aug 2016 16:42 - 31 Aug 2016 16:43 #4 by netcompsys
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I found this recently whilst scouting around the site where a P38 Lightning crashed during WW2. It was on an operational flight, so would not expect it to be practice material even though I named the file that way.




It is in remarkably good condition, and feels very light.
The book in the pouch marked VALID is Passport size.




Nearby is a short belt of live 50cal, a bit weatherbeaten but live and would probably cleanup.

Would appreciate help to know what it is.


I have never understood the compulsion people have with collecting or poking around (literally) with old explosive ordnance which is not clearly marked as inert.

I am not an armourer but ex colleagues have always told me to keep away

A mortar bomb was recently destroyed locally
www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/explosive-fou...64-detail/story.html

Kevin

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01 Sep 2016 00:39 - 01 Sep 2016 06:31 #5 by PETERTHEEATER
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It's not an aircraft practice bomb. Certainly looks like a mortar bomb yet lacks certain features. I think that it may be a spigot launched marine signal. Odd that the nose cap should be painted red just like the movies.

netcompsys sounds a timely warning in his post (#4) Such finds should not be disturbed but marked and reported to the police. In particular explosive mortar bombs which have failed to detonate are liable to function if moved due to the fuze design.

I shall see what I can find.

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01 Sep 2016 07:49 - 01 Sep 2016 08:23 #6 by PETERTHEEATER
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I should have identified this objec straight away on sight, perhaps old age dims the brain cells.

It's a No 94 Anti-tank Rifle Grenade commonly referred to as an ENERGA grenade. This was fired from a special attachment on the muzzle of a standard service rifle (No 4 Rifle) using a special blank cartridge.

This is probably a Drill (Inert non-ex) grenade which would have been painted white with the word 'DRILL' stencilled on the side. It appears to have been repainted at some stage in non-standard colours to confuse the unwary :whistle:

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03 Sep 2016 21:23 #7 by netcompsys
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According to this blog the Energa was an anti tank grenade and saw service between 1952 and 1970, so not contemporaneous with your P38

hatchfive.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/energ...-tank-rifle-grenade/

I suspect that in reality, throwing rocks at a tank would be as effective, god help them !

Kevin

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04 Sep 2016 10:22 #8 by canberra
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Until the invention of Chobam armour tanks were still vulnerable, in fact the undersides still are.

Now how did this grenade end up where it did??

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05 Sep 2016 08:05 #9 by IanDDavidson
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Until the invention of Chobam armour tanks were still vulnerable, in fact the undersides still are.

Now how did this grenade end up where it did??



It ended up in a wood, on a large farming estate. It is not a stray from a known range, so most likely someone just dumped it there.

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06 Sep 2016 15:13 #10 by canberra
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Anyone familiar with 58 pattern webbing? You may recall that one ammo pouch had a pocket on the outside with a fastening on the top, that was for the energa grenade.

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