Download: SOE's Infrastructure in the UK in WWII

06 Mar 2019 16:05 #1 by carnaby
Excellent 2015 document about SOE - in particular its locations.

Built to Resist
An assessment of the SOE's Infrastructure in the UK in WWII
By Derwin Gregory MA

ueaeprints.uea.ac.uk/58576/1/Built_to_Resist_Vol._1.pdf

This is Volume 1; Is there / will there be more? A hard copy will be available for £105

Author's Twitter page - well worth a browse. twitter.com/drderwingregory

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:
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06 Mar 2019 16:43 #2 by kebecker
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07 Mar 2019 16:57 #3 by carnaby
More good stuff from Derwin here:

people.uea.ac.uk/en/publications/communi...8-8255ec9cb5f7).html

The documents at the bottom of the page are useful and the appropriate link has been added to the Charndon thread.

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:

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09 Mar 2019 07:05 #4 by PETERTHEEATER
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I'm struggling here.

I tried using the NGRs shown in Volume 2 but can't get the NGRs to fit. Clearly I am doing something wrong!

For example, using Appendix Page A17 (Twyford) for Station 53C Transmitter and the stated NGR (no Alpha prefix is shown) of 467794 226088 and the prefix SP I end up in Rousham to the SW of Upper Heyford using the WTP3 Search function.

Manually, using an NGR squared atlas I get significantly different NGR

The remains of Stn 53c Tx site is here:

.wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=5...grat=None&rgrat=None

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09 Mar 2019 08:36 #5 by Peter Kirk
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I think you have to drop the first numbers if you use the grid letter prefix so it should be SP 67794 26088.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

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09 Mar 2019 09:00 #6 by PETERTHEEATER
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That's it! Had to be something simple, thanks Peter.

What then is the basis for the NGR that is stated sans Alpha prefix?

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09 Mar 2019 09:30 #7 by mbriscoe

I think you have to drop the first numbers if you use the grid letter prefix so it should be SP 67794 26088.


It is quite common for GIS systems to use those all number NGRs, I hate them but presumably it is easier for computers or perhaps more accurately easier for computer programmers - many can't even handle the UK NGR allowing a reference to be given as AB 12, AB 19 29, AB 199 299 etc though a system that I upload images to, has someone who keeps making a fuss about NGRs not being ten digit. So he adds "01" to each half, not understanding that it falsely makes it look as if the NGR is more accurate than it actually is.

PastMap displays both formats


NN 15393 70374
[ 215393, 770374 ]

By the way I was looking up some Welsh locations last week and struggling to get a ten figure NGR, I can get one on the OS mapping but can be hard to locate the exact point in urban areas. So I suggested that COFLEIN and ARCHWILIO should have a way of reading NGR from their maps. They suggested this site.

historicwales.gov.uk/

It shows the position of the cursor to 10 figures in the bottom corner.

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09 Mar 2019 09:38 #8 by PETERTHEEATER
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Thanks. It occurred to me that the author would have given an explanation of the numerical NGR and so I looked through the preamble in Vol 1 Page 10 but still didn't understand.

I went to the OS website and found it here:

finds.org.uk/getinvolved/guides/ngr

More confusion is that the NGRs shown are two groups of six figures referred to as 'six figure' whereas OS call this 'twelve figure'.

Good 'ere innit?

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09 Mar 2019 09:50 - 09 Mar 2019 09:52 #9 by mbriscoe
The Historic Wales site has Englandshire greyed out but the mapping continues to work, you can zoom in for detailed maps and still read off the NGR. PastMap does not have large scale mapping outside Scotland.

CORRECTION - the mapping displays but you cannot read off the NGR. I must have still been near the border when I checked earlier.

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12 Mar 2019 16:15 - 12 Mar 2019 16:15 #10 by Garth Barnard
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Thank you!

That PDF/Document has identified the building I saw a couple of weeks ago at Charndon....

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