Historic England - a gripe

11 Sep 2021 11:31 #1 by ALANCLARKE
Historic England - a gripe was created by ALANCLARKE
I took a some good aerial shots, including a very high res photo-mosaiced 'survey', of the whole of the RAF Barham former nuclear bomb store a couple of years ago. As Historic England/English Heritage had been so instrumental about 20 years ago in surveying and listing the site (one of the first Cold War sites they took an interest in) I thought that my shots would add something unique to the historic record for the site. So I asked if they would like to have copies to add to their archive.

Their answer was (I summarise multiple email exchanges) "Sure - but only if you hand over the copyright and all commercial exploitation rights to us - and by the way, if you want to use the images after that, you have to come back to us and ask for permission!"

Well, NO photographer I know (and I know a lot) is ever going to agree to terms like those.

I appreciate that having two classes of image in their collection - stuff we own and stuff we don't - instead of just one may add a little complexity to their management of historic records, but come on guys, surely not that much!? What is your primary role HE - to record stuff for the nation? ... or to make a few quid on the side selling image reproduction rights? This attitude just proves why we need organisations like ARG.
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11 Sep 2021 14:55 #2 by mbriscoe
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I failed to find a site recently on the English 'Heritage Gateway', I very rarely manage to find anything there and told the relevant HER so. I can usually get to the equivalent record on Canmore within a minute or so.

I can upload images (perhaps not as high resolution as you needed) to Canmore but the copyright remains mine, any requests to use the images are forwarded to me.

Our local HER has a difference system but I can add comments and images to records.
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11 Sep 2021 17:09 #3 by Paul Francis
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Alan we (ARG) would love copies of those pics. I can assure you that they would not be shared without permission from yourself.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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10 Oct 2022 14:22 #4 by ALANCLARKE
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Paul,

I'm not sure I ever sent these images - what email address should I send them to?


Alan

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10 Oct 2022 15:06 #5 by Paul Francis
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Send to me please: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. please. Note that is arp as the arg one does not work. thanks.

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11 Oct 2022 15:48 #6 by EdDennison
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Alan - my experience is that no only do you have to apply for permission to use the material you might have given Historic England archives, but they will also charge you for the privilege!

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