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21 Jun 2008 19:34 #21
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I was afraid someone would ask to see the results. If I delay long enough maybe memories would fade?
Alright give me a few days then!
Peter
Alright give me a few days then!
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21 Jun 2008 22:41 - 18 Jul 2017 20:07 #22
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Okay here it is.
I used Paint.Net for this and the traced a scan. I did this in about two and a half hours. I know there are a lot of bad joins and other mistakes but I thought it best to show it like this as there was very little effort required.
I must say I am impressed with Paint.Net so thank you for recommending it.
The only gripe is that drawing circles in the right place is nigh on impossible and I couldn't figure out how to move them.
Adding text was a lot easier than Paintshop Pro and as I never read instructions this was an excellent feature.
The only thing to do now is decide how much detail to include.
One down 600 to go (give or take)
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I used Paint.Net for this and the traced a scan. I did this in about two and a half hours. I know there are a lot of bad joins and other mistakes but I thought it best to show it like this as there was very little effort required.
I must say I am impressed with Paint.Net so thank you for recommending it.
The only gripe is that drawing circles in the right place is nigh on impossible and I couldn't figure out how to move them.
Adding text was a lot easier than Paintshop Pro and as I never read instructions this was an excellent feature.
The only thing to do now is decide how much detail to include.
One down 600 to go (give or take)
Peter
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Peter
That looks brilliant, far better than I could do! I downloaded paint.net but couldn't figure out how to use it, I got frustrated with it and have deleted it!!!!! Its probably a patience thing, I have none!!!!! It does look like a brilliant program, and you have shown that it is.
That looks brilliant, far better than I could do! I downloaded paint.net but couldn't figure out how to use it, I got frustrated with it and have deleted it!!!!! Its probably a patience thing, I have none!!!!! It does look like a brilliant program, and you have shown that it is.
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22 Jun 2008 01:40 #24
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REF,
The trick is not to do any freehand work. The bulk of it is straight lines and joined by straight line bent using the two pivot points that are in the line 25% and 75% along it. Mawganmad gave me the clue and it is brilliant to make curves. The only thing you have to bear in mind is that you may have to join a number of lines to get all the curves you want.
The other trick is to use layers. All the circular pans were copied and pastred from one master and re-sized. You can merge layers one at a time and this again is much easier than Paintshop Pro.
I take back all I said about computer drawing. It was obviously the software.
It's now 2:38 AM and I blame norwichpaul for keeping me up - been playing with Paint.net and not realised the time!
Peter
The trick is not to do any freehand work. The bulk of it is straight lines and joined by straight line bent using the two pivot points that are in the line 25% and 75% along it. Mawganmad gave me the clue and it is brilliant to make curves. The only thing you have to bear in mind is that you may have to join a number of lines to get all the curves you want.
The other trick is to use layers. All the circular pans were copied and pastred from one master and re-sized. You can merge layers one at a time and this again is much easier than Paintshop Pro.
I take back all I said about computer drawing. It was obviously the software.
It's now 2:38 AM and I blame norwichpaul for keeping me up - been playing with Paint.net and not realised the time!
Peter
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22 Jun 2008 06:50 #25
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More practice then!!! I'll be downloading it again then!!!
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22 Jun 2008 09:21 #26
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Lol I was up playing with this all night aswel!
It truely is amazing, and I have now sussed the layers
Here are four stages of copying an airfield on to an old map.
Don't laugh at the airfield sketch, as it is only for scale and dimensions.
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As you can see I have traced the runways and other vitals from a current map, taken the tracing and overlapped onto a C.1930 map. The amazing thing is, everything lines up, notice old road crossing Trebelzue. The current crash gate exits for RW 31/13 line up with the original road aswel.
Not only does this show how useful paint.net is, but how accurate OS maps are over 60+years, despite the heavy drawing of the earlier ones.
My eventual aim is to show the various stages of airfield expansion over the old map.
You can also do this by tracing over airfields from Google Earth, thus giving you access to any airfield and high accuracy.
The curves and corner tool is amazing and it really does seem to predict how the corner should end up. The pivot points at 25 & 75 % can be dragged to create the corner at any point in the line.
In a short amount of time I got fantastic results.
This can be used also for building plans (inc towers), layouts etc, and as Paul says, pretty well endless uses.
I really urge anyone to try and persist with this tool, i'm using a low end PC with a basic mouse, and am amazed at the results.
It truely is amazing, and I have now sussed the layers
Here are four stages of copying an airfield on to an old map.
Don't laugh at the airfield sketch, as it is only for scale and dimensions.
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As you can see I have traced the runways and other vitals from a current map, taken the tracing and overlapped onto a C.1930 map. The amazing thing is, everything lines up, notice old road crossing Trebelzue. The current crash gate exits for RW 31/13 line up with the original road aswel.
Not only does this show how useful paint.net is, but how accurate OS maps are over 60+years, despite the heavy drawing of the earlier ones.
My eventual aim is to show the various stages of airfield expansion over the old map.
You can also do this by tracing over airfields from Google Earth, thus giving you access to any airfield and high accuracy.
The curves and corner tool is amazing and it really does seem to predict how the corner should end up. The pivot points at 25 & 75 % can be dragged to create the corner at any point in the line.
In a short amount of time I got fantastic results.
This can be used also for building plans (inc towers), layouts etc, and as Paul says, pretty well endless uses.
I really urge anyone to try and persist with this tool, i'm using a low end PC with a basic mouse, and am amazed at the results.
James Thomas
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22 Jun 2008 11:31 #27
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mawganmad,
The overlay on the 1930's map really shows the disruption to the local community. Something you don't appreciate on the modern maps.
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The overlay on the 1930's map really shows the disruption to the local community. Something you don't appreciate on the modern maps.
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22 Jun 2008 11:32 #28
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Glad your having fun with Paint.net, REF you really need to get into it if you want to be in PNK, Mawganmad and my gang!!
You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!
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22 Jun 2008 11:37 #29
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Paul, you are supposed to be on holiday!!!!!!
I'm working on it again, it will take time as I haven't a clue how it works!!!
I'm working on it again, it will take time as I haven't a clue how it works!!!
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22 Jun 2008 11:40 #30
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AiE is part of the Holday experience, surely you know this.
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