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07 Jun 2019 17:55 - 08 Jun 2019 19:13 #1
by NiallOShea
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Hi All,
I'm a location scout and am on the hunt for some Type L Hangers - I'm aware of RAF Burtonwood, High Ercall, Llandow, Canmore and Kinloss. Is there any more anyone know of that I'm missing? I've looked for a list of constructed Type L Hangars on line but can't seem to find a comprehensive one. All and any help greatly received.
Thank in advance,
Niall
I'm a location scout and am on the hunt for some Type L Hangers - I'm aware of RAF Burtonwood, High Ercall, Llandow, Canmore and Kinloss. Is there any more anyone know of that I'm missing? I've looked for a list of constructed Type L Hangars on line but can't seem to find a comprehensive one. All and any help greatly received.
Thank in advance,
Niall
Last edit: 08 Jun 2019 19:13 by Paul Francis. Reason: poor spelling
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07 Jun 2019 19:47 #2
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I'm pretty sure these hangars were at:Aston Down, Burtonwood, Colerne, Dumfries, Edzell, Hawarden, High Ercall, Kemble, Kinloss, Kirkbride, Lichfield, Llandow, Lossiemouth, Lyneham, Sealand, Shawbury, Silloth and Wroughton
However there were 107 examples built and my master list only shows 105. Decades ago this list was correct, so something has gone amiss! Will look further
Never heard of Canmore airfield.
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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Hi Niall,Hi All,
I'm aware of..., Canmore...
I'm pretty sure these hangars were at:Aston Down, Burtonwood, Colerne, Dumfries, Edzell, Hawarden, High Ercall, Kemble, Kinloss, Kirkbride, Lichfield, Llandow, Lossiemouth, Lyneham, Sealand, Shawbury, Silloth and Wroughton
However there were 107 examples built and my master list only shows 105. Decades ago this list was correct, so something has gone amiss! Will look further
Never heard of Canmore airfield.
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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07 Jun 2019 21:45 - 08 Jun 2019 19:12 #3
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I think there are some L Type Hangars at Brize as well.
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08 Jun 2019 09:46 - 08 Jun 2019 19:12 #4
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The entry in the (Members only area) for Airfield Building Historic records Type L Aircraft Sheds
www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/a...type-l-e1633-d#11192
include two at Hullavington
but no entry for Brize Norton
Given that these hangars were all built for MU's, I am curious as to the scenario that would require a location scout to find one of these sheds - do tell !
kevin
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Hi Niall,Hi All,
I'm aware of..., Canmore...
I'm pretty sure these hangars were at:Aston Down, Burtonwood, Colerne, Dumfries, Edzell, Hawarden, High Ercall, Kemble, Kinloss, Kirkbride, Lichfield, Llandow, Lossiemouth, Lyneham, Sealand, Shawbury, Silloth and Wroughton
However there were 107 examples built and my master list only shows 105. Decades ago this list was correct, so something has gone amiss! Will look further
The entry in the (Members only area) for Airfield Building Historic records Type L Aircraft Sheds
www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/a...type-l-e1633-d#11192
include two at Hullavington
but no entry for Brize Norton
Given that these hangars were all built for MU's, I am curious as to the scenario that would require a location scout to find one of these sheds - do tell !
kevin
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08 Jun 2019 11:35 - 08 Jun 2019 19:12 #5
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Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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I'm certain now Hullavington is the missing link; two of its 'E' are actually 'L's. My master list later went astray due to the incorrect entry in SD722 (1955) (TNA AIR10/7392) Airfields and Flying Boat Bases in the UK - which should be the 'bible'.
Brize had six of the earlier Lamellas, nothing else. In all there were 181 'E/L/Lamella' types.
I sorted this list decades ago along with Denis Corley - there was much correspondence and discussion!. Regarding the larger hangars, I'm confident the list is accurate and was originally based on an HQ Maintenance Command audit in 1945 when they were looking for storage facilities for a wide range of items. That audit was over 95 per cent correct and a good starting point.
However the smaller and rarer hangar allocations were never finalised and never will be. Did Brize have 502 blisters! ? What were the 'X' types at Dumfries? What was the 'Shed' at Aldergrove etc.
Brize had six of the earlier Lamellas, nothing else. In all there were 181 'E/L/Lamella' types.
I sorted this list decades ago along with Denis Corley - there was much correspondence and discussion!. Regarding the larger hangars, I'm confident the list is accurate and was originally based on an HQ Maintenance Command audit in 1945 when they were looking for storage facilities for a wide range of items. That audit was over 95 per cent correct and a good starting point.
However the smaller and rarer hangar allocations were never finalised and never will be. Did Brize have 502 blisters! ? What were the 'X' types at Dumfries? What was the 'Shed' at Aldergrove etc.
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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08 Jun 2019 14:15 - 08 Jun 2019 19:11 #6
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No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
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Perhaps a list of airfields which have question marks over them so that remaining anomalies could be whittled down? The problem is it depends on when you take the count from. As originally built, as at the the end of the war, as at closure.
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09 Jun 2019 19:15 #7
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My mistake, I thought they were L Types at Brize, not Lamellas. Out of interest how do you tell the difference externally?
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09 Jun 2019 20:17 - 09 Jun 2019 20:18 #8
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Going cross-eyed here trying to compare the two drawings!
The Lamella seems to have230MM Earth on top and also has some rubble protecting the bottom of the roof. The dimensions are virtually the same as far as I can read the small print.
The Lamella seems to have230MM Earth on top and also has some rubble protecting the bottom of the roof. The dimensions are virtually the same as far as I can read the small print.
Type 'L' Hangar (Sht 1 of 1) DE/H1/100/160
Type 'Lamella' Hangar (Sht 1 of 2) DE/H1/100/170
(Sht 2 of 2) DE/H1/100/171
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09 Jun 2019 22:57 #9
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Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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Distinguishing between the Lamella / E and L can be tricky, since there were variations regarding the latter two.
Re the Lamella and 'L':
1) The Lamella had two doors (40 ft opening) front and rear, the 'L' had four (70 ft opening)
2) The internal roof structure is very different
3) The office accommodation is different
4) The 'L' (and the 'E') had several longitudinal runway beams in the roof which allowed 'tails-up' storage using pulley blocks, as shown in the Canmore picture above.
There are relatively few Lamellas left - most are on active airfields: (Aldergrove, Brize, Shawbury, Ternhill) and cannot be 'Street Viewed' I should have taken better photos of those at Kemble. Need to get both ends.
Beware fof Googling 'Lamella', much of the info is wrong and relates to 'E's and 'L's
Re the Lamella and 'L':
1) The Lamella had two doors (40 ft opening) front and rear, the 'L' had four (70 ft opening)
www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/s...33-ternhill?start=21 (posts 2 and 3 from the bottom)
www.challoner.com/aviation/hangars/lamella.html
canmore.org.uk/collection/1197545
www.challoner.com/aviation/hangars/lamella.html
canmore.org.uk/collection/1197545
2) The internal roof structure is very different
3) The office accommodation is different
canmore.org.uk/collection/1197529
Can't find a picture for the Lamella
Can't find a picture for the Lamella
4) The 'L' (and the 'E') had several longitudinal runway beams in the roof which allowed 'tails-up' storage using pulley blocks, as shown in the Canmore picture above.
There are relatively few Lamellas left - most are on active airfields: (Aldergrove, Brize, Shawbury, Ternhill) and cannot be 'Street Viewed' I should have taken better photos of those at Kemble. Need to get both ends.
Beware fof Googling 'Lamella', much of the info is wrong and relates to 'E's and 'L's
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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09 Jun 2019 23:19 #10
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I was intrigued by the meaning of "lamella"
A 1939 article about Speke
There is a reference at Aldegrove to "Lamella sheds"
A 1939 article about Speke
THE HANGAR AND THE APRON
The R.A.F.V.R. hangar is progressing by leaps and bounds, and one can easily judge its extensiveness now. It offers an interesting study in rapid steel-work building with its lamella roof construction which appears to consist of two standard pieces. Each piece gets strength from the other, so the completed job is of a really solid character.
There is a reference at Aldegrove to "Lamella sheds"
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